When Jaime Lannister arrives in the Riverlands, the siege of Riverrun is not going well. Daven Lannister’s forces consist of a contingent of Freys under the command of Ser Ryman, his own Westerland forces, Lord Emmon Frey and Ser Forley Prester’s host and the river lords who bent the knee. The riverlanders are
“A sullen lot…Good for sulking in their tents, but not much more.”
AFfC, Jaime V
Daven tells Jaime that the half the men he sends to forage for supplies never return. Some desert, but others are found dead.
“It might [be] outlaws, or not. There are still bands of northmen about. And these Lords of the Trident may have bent their knees, but methinks their hearts are still… wolfish.”
AFfC, Jaime V
“My scouts report fires in the high places at night. Signal fires, they think… as if there were a ring of watchers all around us.”
AFfC, Jaime V
Regarding the “bands of northmen” a review of troop numbers is in order. Robb goes to the RW with thirty-five hundred men:
“Thirty-five hundred they were, thirty-five hundred who had been blooded in the Whispering Wood, who had reddened their swords at the Battle of the Camps, at Oxcross, Ashemark, and the Crag, and all through the gold-rich hills of the Lannister west.”
“Thirty-five hundred riders wound their way along the valley floor through the heart of the Whispering Wood, but Catelyn Stark had seldom felt lonelier. Every league she crossed took her farther from Riverrun, and she found herself wondering whether she would ever see the castle again. Or was it lost to her forever, like so much else?”
ASoS, Catelyn VI
We know of those thirty five hundred that most were slaughtered. But maybe not all:
“We found a thousand corpses afterward. Once they’ve spent a few days in the river they all look much the same.”
Edwyn Frey, AFfC, Jaime VII
Roose Bolton arrives with another thirty five hundred:
“Some five hundred horse and three thousand foot, my lady. Dreadfort men, in chief, and some from Karhold. With the loyalty of the Karstarks so doubtful now, I thought it best to keep them close. I regret there are not more.”
ASoS, Catelyn VII
We know he has left a force of some six hundred men at the Green Fork guarding the crossing.
“I left six hundred men at the ford. Spearmen from the rills, the mountains and the White Knife. A hundred Hornwood longbows, some freeriders and hedge knights, and a strong force of Stout and Cerwyn men to stiffen them. Ronnel Stout and Ser Kyle Condon have the command.”
ASoS, Catelyn VII
The Freys have a force of some two thousand that ultimately crosses the Neck with Roose Bolton. I think it’s safe to assume that Robb expected exactly that number to accompany him. But wait! Just a few chapters earlier, at the same strategy meeting where Robb’s will is signed, he reveals his plan to assail Moat Cailin from three sides, including the rear with the aid of Howland Reed. He numbers his force at over 12,000:
“Once I link up with Lord Bolton and the Freys, I will have more than twelve thousand men.”
ASoS, Catelyn VI
Even assuming that the third of Lord Bolton’s strength lost to Ser Gregor (two thousand Norreys, Lockes, Burleys and White Harbor men under Wylis Manderly, putting Roose’s total expected force at over 6,000) were counted in that number, we are left with a few questions. There are still over five hundred unaccounted for- is that the size of the group that accompanied Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover? Furthermore, did Condon and Stout rejoin Bolton’s forces with their six hundred? I think not, since Theon’s observations of the troops crossing the Neck account for only a little over 5,500:
“Three days later, the vanguard of Roose Bolton’s host threaded its way through the ruins and past the row of grisly [ironborn] sentinels–four hundred mounted Freys clad in blue and grey, their spearpoints glittering whenever the sun broke through the clouds. Two of old Lord Walder’s sons [Hosteen and Aenys] led the van.
The northmen followed hard behind the van, their tattered banners streaming in the wind. Reek watched them pass. Most were afoot, and there were so few of them. He remembered the great host that marched south with the Young Wolf, beneath the direwolf of Winterfell. Twenty thousand swords and spears had gone off to war with Robb or near enough to make no matter, but only two in ten were coming back, and most of those were Dreadfort men.
Farther back came the baggage train–lumbering wayns laden with provisions and loot taken in the war, carts crowded with wounded men and cripples. And, at the rear, more Freys. At least a thousand, maybe more: bowmen, spearmen, peasants armed with scythes and sharpened sticks, freeriders and mounted archers, and another hundred knights to stiffen them.”
ADWD, Reek II
Also, we have the fact that of the two thousand men with Wylis Manderly, not all were killed or captured:
“Two-thirds of my strength was on the north side when the Lannisters attacked those still waiting to cross. Norrey, Locke, and Burley men chiefly, with Ser Wylis Manderly and his White Harbor knights as rear guard. I was on the wrong side of the Trident, powerless to help them. Ser Wylis rallied our men as best he could, but Gregor Clegane attacked with heavy horse and drove them into the river. As many drowned as were cut down. More fled, and the rest were taken captive.”
ASoS, Catelyn VII
Admittedly, at this level we are dealing with quite a bit of estimating of troop size. With eyes wide open that George has actually said this is one detail that is frequently wrong in PoVs, it still seems that there is room to believe that among the “bands” Daven mentions, there could be two substantial forces (five to six hundred each) who remain armed and under the command of a warleader, in addition to the scattered remnants of the force from the ford. Upon arriving in the camps at Riverrun Jaime makes note of the river lords’ banners:
“Lychester and Vance… Roote and Goodbrook, the acorns of House Smallford [sic] and Lord Piper’s dancing maiden… the banners he did not see gave him pause. The silver eagle of Mallister was nowhere in evidence; nor the red horse of Bracken, the willow of the Rygers, the twining snakes of Paege… none had come to join the siege”
AFfC, Jaime V
When Jaime meets with Brynden Tully to offer terms, he suggests the Blackfish take the black
“I will permit you to take the black. Ned Stark’s bastard is the Lord Commander on the Wall”
AFfC, Jaime VI
Tully reacts with suspicion
“Did your father arrange for that as well? Catelyn never trusted the boy, as I recall, no more than she trusted Theon Greyjoy. It would seem she was right about them both.”
AFfC, Jaime VI
Why the comparison with Theon Greyjoy? Because Jon made common cause with Stannis? Seems like laying it on a bit thick to me. While one could make a case that Brynden Tully was far away at Riverrun when the will was signed in Hag’s Mire and is unaware of its contents, as evidenced by his next exchange with Jaime he is still flying the direwolf of Stark above Riverrun many months later. Surely he is holding out because he knows there is an heir?
“…Does it matter how the boy perished? He’s no less dead, and his kingdom died when he did.”
“You must be blind as well as maimed, ser. Lift your eyes and you will see that the direwolf still flies above our walls.”
AFfC, Jaime VI
Coming from someone who thinks all of Ned and Cat’s children are dead, and has just dismissed the only surviving Stark out of hand, this seems like an odd statement. Is it empty bravado? Or a subtle threat? I think the latter is more the Blackfish’s style. When diplomacy fails, Jaime summons a war council. Lords Piper, Vance of Wayfarer’s Rest and Vance of Atranta are in attendance. Karyl Vance counsels against hanging Edmure to move the Blackfish and has nothing but scorn for Edwyn Frey’s suggestion of arrows smeared with nightsoil. Norbert Vance offers to parlay with his old friend Brynden Tully and Lord Clement Piper scoffs at this idea. An argument with the Freys breaks out and almost comes to violence. Jaime puts Edmyn Frey in his place by reminding him of the Freys double treachery and dismisses the council. Jaime’s next move is to retrieve Edmure from the Freys’ gallows. As he cuts him down he is accosted by Ser Ryman Frey, in company of a camp follower wearing a very curious crown
“…a circlet of hammered bronze… graven with runes and ringed with small black swords”
AFfC, Jaime VI
After engaging in his new favorite sport of Frey bashing, Jaime dismisses Ryman and orders him to leave the crown. Let’s make careful note of two witnesses to the scene. The first is a singer with a woodharp, who can be none other than Tom o’ Sevenstreams. The second is the camp follower herself. We learn that Jaime dismisses Ser Ryman and that not long after he and his escort of fifteen armed men have been hanged just south of Fairmarket on their way back to the Twins, presumably by the BwB. As Walder Rivers tells Jaime “It is almost as if they knew that he would be returning to the Twins, and with a small escort.” Since we know by the crown’s later reappearance that Ryman did not in fact leave the crown as Jaime ordered, we might assume he was still in the company of the woman as well. Could she have been the source of the BwB’s information? It’s very interesting that Petyr Frey was also in the company of a sex worker just before he was hanged by the BwB. In Merrett Frey’s PoV he thinks “Let them hang him, he brought this on himself. It’s no more than he deserves, wandering off with some bloody camp follower like a stag in rut.” Fast forwarding a bit, notice the speed with which the BwB (in the person of Brienne of Tarth) were able to track Jaime to Pennytree after his visit to Raventree Hall and recall Hildy, the camp follower seen at Raventree with Lord Jonos Bracken. The day Jaime met with Lord Jonos and Lord Tytos (and Hildy) he departed Raventree Hall and arrived at Pennytree the same evening. Around midnight Brienne rode into the camp looking for him. Can it be coincidence that in three cases where the BwB is looking for a target and quickly locates him, there turns out to have been a camp follower in his presence? Is the BwB is using women to soft target individuals? While there’s probably a much more massive plan in the works, this would speak volumes about BwB operations possibly being much more covert and sophisticated than we thought.
Back to Riverrun, Jaime delivers his terms to Edmure in the presence of his squires (Josmyn Peckledown, Garrett Paege and Lew Piper), Pia and the singer (Tom o’ Sevens): Convince the Blackfish to yield the castle and the smallfolk can remain unharmed, the garrison (including Ser Brynden) will all have the option of taking the black and Edmure can choose between the Wall and captivity with his wife and child at Casterly Rock. If he refuses:
“…my coz will bridge your moat and break your gate. Hundreds will die, most of them your own. Your former bannermen will make up the first wave of attackers, so you’ll start your day by killing the fathers and brothers of men who died for you at the Twins. The second wave will be Freys, I have no lack of those. My westermen will follow when your archers are short of arrows and your knights so weary they can hardly lift their blades. When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I’ll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I’m done no man will ever know a castle once stood here … Your wife may whelp before that. You’ll want your child, I expect. I’ll send him to you when he’s born. With a trebuchet.”
AFfC, Jaime VI
Jaime departs and leaves Edmure to be entertained by the singer
“I’ll leave you to enjoy your food. Singer, play for our guest whilst he eats. You know the song, I trust.”
“The one about the rain? Aye, my lord, I know it.”
Edmure seemed to see the man for the first time. “No. Not him. Get him away from me.”
AFfC, Jaime VI
Presumably there followed an interesting interlude between Edmure Tully and Tom o’ Sevenstreams, who beyond doubt is the singer and also one of the chief lieutenants of Lady Stoneheart’s band of outlaws. The flies on the wall? Garrett Paege and Lew Piper. We can only guess at what messages were relayed, or if plans were laid. The opportunity was certainly there however. Next we see Jaime and Edmure is in the great hall of Riverrun. The Blackfish has slipped out by the water gate under cover of night. Edmure waited almost the entire day before surrendering the castle to the Lannisters. As Jaime says, the Blackfish could be ten leagues downstream. Ten leagues downstream would place him in the vicinity of Fairmarket, where Ryman Frey was waylaid and the last known location of Lady Stoneheart’s band of the BwB, and within a very short distance of Pennytree, location of the next act in the drama. Jaime is not amused. He thinks:
“For a man who was going to spend the rest of his life a prisoner, Edmure was entirely too pleased with himself.”
AFfC, Jaime VII
Emmon Frey is apoplectic. He wants Edmure punished. After being told by his wife that he must hold the castle or abandon it, Ser Emmon replies
“To be sure. Riverrun is mine, and no man shall ever take it from me.”
AFfC, Jaime VII (emphasis mine)
Foreshadowing of the retaking of Riverrun by Lady Stoneheart, who now has an operative inside the castle?
“…this castle seems a nice place to spend the winter”
Tom o’Sevens, AFfC, Jaime VII
Yes… but with whom? Edmure Tully and the Westerlings are sent to Casterly Rock with a guard of 400 men under the command of Ser Forley Prester. The Riverrun garrison is allowed to depart: stripped of arms and armor they vanish into the Riverlands. Ser Desmond Grell and Ser Robin Ryger elect to take the black. They are dispatched to take ship at Maidenpool with an escort of twelve of Gregor Clegane’s men under the command of Raff the Sweetling. In the process of departing Riverrun, Jaime takes leave of the Freys. They are wroth about Ser Ryman’s death. Jaime is unmoved, and repeats the order he first issued in front of Edmure Tully and Tom o’ Sevenstreams to Ser Ryman:
“King Tommen requires all the captives you took at the Red Wedding.”
AFfC, Jaime VII
Next he grants the river lords leave to return to their own lands. He promises Lord Piper that the captives will be ransomed and hears the advice of Lord Karyl Vance
“Lord Jaime, you must go to Raventree. So long as it is Jonos at his gates Tytos will never yield, but I know he will bend his knee for you.”
AFfC, Jaime VII
Worth noting is this passage in ASoS ch. 43: When discussing what to do with Arya, Lord Beric says
“Still, we dare not go blindly here. I want to know where the armies are, the wolves and lions both. Sharna will know something, and Lord Vance’s maester will know more. Acorn Hall’s not far. Lady Smallwood will shelter us for a time while we send scouts ahead to learn…”
One reason this passage may be somewhat overlooked is because this is the moment that Arya runs away from the BwB straight into the arms of Sandor Clegane. We know Sharna is the innkeep at the Inn of the Kneeling Man and we’ve seen the BwB at Acorn Hall before, but Lord Vance’s maester is a pretty high level contact and possibly not unrelated to the fact that it is ultimately Lord Vance who urges Jaime to venture to Raventree Hall, thus putting himself in BwB territory. At Raventree Jaime meets Jonos Bracken and Tytos Blackwood, and learns more than a little about the ancient Bracken-Blackwood feud. Bracken appears to have well and truly turned his cloak. Blackwood is more pragmatic, and close. He enquires about Edmure and Brynden Tully, giving nothing away. When the talk turns to hostages we learn two things. Brynden Blackwood is the heir, whose whereabouts are never mentioned. Since his next younger brother Lucas was with Robb at the RW, it may be safe to consider that Brynden was also a part of Robb’s forces, but in an as yet unidentified deployment. Lucas perished at the RW in spite of kin ties with the Freys. Jaime promises to have his bones returned (probably an empty promise since just recently the Freys have admitted to him that they dumped many bodies anonymously into the river) As Jaime takes his leave he mentions that Riverrun awaits. Blackwood makes this odd rejoinder
“Riverrun? Or King’s Landing?”
ADwD, Jaime I
…almost as if he wanted to ascertain Jaime’s next steps. Could this be a further hint of an undercurrent of communication regarding the Lord Commander’s movements? What happens next is well known. Jaime and his tail camp at Pennytree. At midnight his scouts return with a woman who has ridden up asking to be brought to him. Brienne of Tarth tells Jaime she has found the girl with the Hound, and that he must come at once and alone or she will be killed. We know from Kevan’s later conversation with Cersei while she is imprisoned by the Faith, that he does indeed depart with her, and up to the point we have knowledge, has not been heard from since. Of course, most speculation goes that Brienne has agreed to bring Jaime to the BwB in exchange for Podrick’s (and maybe Ser Hyle’s) life. We can only wait to see what will happen at this confrontation and although it might seem a foregone conclusion, I’m not so sure.
Returning to Pennytree, we have Jaime’s men (described as a “tail”, so a relatively small force) left leaderless in the Riverlands. It seems plain that they make it make to Riverrun, since word has reached Kevan that Jaime vanished with a woman, possibly Lady Brienne. I wonder about the three boys though- Lew Piper, Garrett Paege and Hoster Blackwood. The first two may have overheard the conversation between Edmure Tully and Tom o’ Sevenstreams. All three are aware of the escape of the Blackfish and at least some of the movements of the BwB. Hos would know the countryside well– would the confusion of Jaime’s departure be a good occasion for the hostages to depart? Or do they remain as eyes and ears in the Lannister camp? Either way, I don’t think we can ignore their presence and the fact that the sons of some of the more Stark-loyal riverlords are together. Once Marq Piper is freed from the Twins, if these three escape, the Lannisters will have no hold over this particular trio of families. As for the freedom of Marq Piper, Greatjon Umber and any other captives from the Twins, it is plain that Tom o’ Seven knows of the order to send the captives to King’s Landing. Since the Frey forces are currently spread between Winterfell, Seagard, Darry and Riverrun, I suspect the captives will be put on the Kingsroad with inadequate guards and waylaid by the BwB. So now we have Edmure and Jeyne Westerling heading west under a strong guard of four hundred. The Blackfish is at large and the Riverrun garrison has been set free, albeit unarmed. Jaime is alone in the Riverlands with Brienne, his tail left leaderless. Ryger and Grell are heading east, armed, under light guard. Riverrun is garrisoned with a force of two hundred Freys or Lannisters, but they have a senior member of the BwB in their midst. Any castle can be taken if the enemy can gain access, and the enemy now have the means to open the gates. The BwB has become increasingly bold, hanging Lord Walder’s heir and his escort of fifteen armed men less than a day’s march from the Twins. Undefined “bands” of Stark supporters remain at large, possibly numbering in the thousands. It’s worthy of note that with the forthcoming release of the captives from the Twins and abandonment of Jaime’s tail at Pennytree (which includes not only Hoster Tully, Garrett Paege and Lew Piper, but also Ser Hugo Vance, one of the sons of Lord Norbert Vance of Atranta, who has been acting as Jaime’s standard-bearer) and the recent capitulation of Riverrun, the only remaining hostages the Lannisters have in their control are Edmure Tully and Jeyne Westerling. Roslin Tully presumably will remain at the Twins, where her child is certainly at risk once it is born, but anyone seeking to save or sacrifice it will first need to breach the Twins.
Also of extreme interest is that the Blackfish was presumably the mastermind behind the great Stark-Tully victory at Oxcross, which involved circumventing the Golden Tooth via a secret path discovered by Grey Wind. With the Riverrun garrison at large, I propose that the Blackfish means to take command of them once more and set out for the Westerlands to ambush Forley Prester’s party and free Edmure and Jeyne, whose safety he has been charged with. In support of this idea, let’s recall the Tully words– “Family, Duty, Honor.” We learn in ASoS that upon his departure from Riverrun, King Robb named his great-uncle Warden of the Southern Marches, and charged him with Queen Jeyne’s protection. It’s seems likely that Brynden Tully would fulfill his duty as Warden of the Southern Marches and protector of the Queen, rescue Jeyne and his nephew, his last surviving family, and annihilate the Lannister host under Forley’s command. Even more compelling is the idea that to stand and fight is perhaps the most honorable and therefore characteristic action the Blackfish could take. The problem with this idea was the lack of PoV characters in the area to relay such a significant event. But we recently received a strong indication from GRRM himself that we will see Forley’s host early in TWoW. In an interview at the San Diego Comic Con last summer George revealed that we will see Jeyne Westerling in the Prologue of TWoW. So an ambush of the Prester party, with possibly Ser Forley himself as the viewpoint character, seems a strong possibility.
The problem of arms for the garrison could be solved by the BwB, who seem to have no problem overcoming good sized groups of armed men. Besides the demonstrated availability of abandoned arms and armor throughout the Riverlands, each group of twelve or fifteen men they ambush or kill adds to their supply. Then there’s Gendry—one has to wonder exactly what he’s been doing at his forge at the Inn. Gendry has been demonstrated to have the knowledge for blade forging. In the many months he has been at that forge, there can be no doubt he has had time to forge (given the raw materials) or mend a great deal of weapons. The ambush of Prester’s party cannot happen in isolation though. In order to preserve the delicate balance of rescue operations, there must be an established communications network. Let’s revisit the words of Daven Lannister:
“My scouts report fires in the high places at night. Signal fires, they think… as if there were a ring of watchers all around us.”
I think the BwB have established a communication network that involves signal fires (we know from his remarks to Brienne that Thoros isn’t spending a lot of time fire gazing these days) and spies. From Lord Vance’s maester to Lady Smallwood to Sharna the innkeep to Tom o’ Sevens inside Riverrun, they seem to have endless capacity to get the downtrodden people of the Riverlands to cooperate with them. The hostages from the Twins will be released, one way or another, by the BwB themselves. Ryger and Grell, by this time, are most like en route to Eastwatch. Weather may play a part in their journey, but as Tycho Nestoris was able to reach it, so should they. What messages, if any, they bring is anyone’s guess, but we know they had ample opportunity to receive them from both the Blackfish and Edmure. This will leave Riverrun and the Twins. With Tom o’ Sevens inside, Riverrun will fall at a time of Lady Stoneheart’s choosing. The fall of the Twins, will be carefully planned to coincide with Lord Walder’s death. We have had plenty of indication of the chaos that will occur when that happens, most clearly in Merrett Frey’s POV when he thinks “It was like to be every son for himself when the old man died, and every daughter as well.” Looking at Jaime’s interview with Maria and Amarei Frey at Castle Darry, they told him:
“Some of the river lords are hand in glove with Lord Beric’s men as well … The smallfolk too … Ser Harwyn says they hide them and feed them, and when he asks where they’ve gone, they lie. They lie to their own lords!”
Put together with all the evidence just discussed, it seems plain that the BwB have politicized their agenda in the Riverlands and with all the hints at plotting, spies and conspiracies, it’s likely we’re going to see a lot more of that agenda in TWoW. It also seems reasonable to conclude from all the hints and the overarching theme of revenge that in the opening pages of TWoW the Riverlands are going to become a shitstorm of Stark and Tully vengeance.
While the Riverlands web is still separate from what is happening in the north, I predict an intersection of political agendas of the two areas in the future (thus the title of this essay) For a thorough analysis of the original Great Northern Conspiracy, I can think of no better place to look than here– Yeade has written up the theory brilliantly in eight parts, with appropriate links to the original posts at Westeros that introduced it. Further in depth reading can also be found here– the Winterfell Huis Clos by Bran Vras is an intimate deconstruction of Theon’s ADwD chapters, well worth a perusal by interested parties. Finally, Yolkboy and I discuss this subject in Episode 09 of Radio Westeros.
Image of Warwick Castle © Great-Castles.com
Remember there is also a great wolfpack in the Riverlands, and Nymeria is their leader. They have been hunting Freys and Lannisters.
Never fear! I’ve not forgotten the wolf pack, nor the greater scope of the BwB. Both are really beyond the scope of this essay however. Also, while we know Nymeria’s pack killed some of the Bloody Mummers, I don’t think we can say for certain they’re only killing Freys and Lannnisters. In one of Arya’s dreams they kill a shepherd (and his sheep) who was probably just some hapless Riverlander.
At any rate, there is certainly the possibility (maybe even a likelihood) Nymeria’s pack will be a big part of the upcoming shitstorm 🙂
Thanks for reading!
Have you read the recently released chapter of TWoW called “Mercy”? Raff the Sweetling meets up with our girl…
I don’t think this changes anything in your essay, but it’s an interesting twist.
Yes I have! In fact, for a hint at how closely, see this (https://ladygwynhyfvar.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/radio-westeros-update/) 😉
The new layer of parallels hasn’t escaped me, I hope to continue with this subject when time allows.
How do you think the current Lord of the Riverlands, a one time resident of Riverrun, and widower of the former Lysa Tully figures into this? Perhaps Lord Baelish’s deception will finally be exposed by the Blackfish as part of the bid to reclaim the Riverlands.
I have no doubt that the Blackfish would make short work of Littlefinger should he venture into the Riverlands and their paths cross, but I’m not sure I see that happening. Baelish has expressed little interest in assuming his seat at Harrenhal and while that could be misdirection, I feel his every thought and action that we are exposed to points to him being intensely focused on Winterfell. Remember that Littlefinger is all about calculation and mitigated losses. If he keeps the Vale united behind him and Sansa, my guess is he won’t choose to spend the valuable resources he has there (a completely unscathed army, for starters) on the Riverlands, which is a mess of outlaws, broken men, Lannisters and Freys. Rather he might take the easier path of attempting to retake Winterfell, calculating that not a few of the northern lords would support Sansa.
I don’t see Littlefinger getting out of the Vale alive. Aegon Targaryen (and yes, he is a fake, the offspring of descendants of Blackfyre and Aerion Brightflame lines aka “the BrightFyre Theory”) will be the next to be proposed to marry Sansa Stark. This is clear from the reading of Dunk and Egg and the order of champions in the Ashford Tourney (http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/):
Sansa has been proposed to all of these families in the exact same order. Harry the Heir will not be as good as the new king of Westeros, (F)Aegon Targaryen. Littlefinger will quickly change the proposal to Aegon and get rid of Harry the Heir somehow. However, in the Dunk and Egg series we know that Valarr Targaryen died from the Great Spring Sickness, which could be foreshadowing for Jon Connington spreading Grey Scale throughout King’s Landing and eventually taking (F)Aegon.
So will the Vale march north to take Winterfell? Unlikely. The Vale lords and Littlefinger will be dealing with all the chaos that is about to erupt in the south. Also, the Ghost of High Heart has pretty much foreshadowed that Sansa will kill Littlefinger (slaying a giant in a castle made of snow –> Sansa specifically refers to the Eyrie as a castle made of snow in the last Alayne chapter in AFFC and Littlefinger’s father comes from Bravos, which is a titan and it’s protector. His time is soon at an end.
Also, if you read any of Cantuse’s work (https://cantuse.wordpress.com/tag/asoiaf/), you will see that Stannis has everything under control in the North, so there is no need for the Vale to march.
If anyone can explain all the foreshadowing in Sansa’s last chapter as she climbs down the mountain and thinks the wind howling fiercely sounded like “…A ghost wolf, big as mountains…” it would be greatly appreciated. Is it Jon Snow? Is it a reference to Sansa herself, and the departed Lady supporting her in the afterlife?
I like Ladygwynhyfvar’s theory that Grey Wind is still alive. Could it be foreshadowing Grey Wind?
I’m not sure I give much credence to the Ashford theory, but like all theories time and TWoW will tell 😉
I have a slightly different take on the castle made of snow, as we discussed in E02 of Radio Westeros We’re in agreement on the foreshadowing elements, but yb & I found clear indications that the castle referred to is Winterfell. Remember that by the end of AFfC, the Eyrie has been abandoned for winter. It seems unlikely that anyone will be returning there until spring, and I don’t see Littlefinger lasting that long. The army of the Vale seems without a doubt to be “Chekhov’s Army” and, as I said above, it doesn’t really seem like they would spend themselves on the Riverlands or points south when we’ve been set up for the Lords Declarant throwing their support behind Sansa.
I have read cantuse, and while we do agree on certain points, I can’t say that I agree that Stannis has the North under control. I rather think the OTK might agree with me too… nothing seems certain in his present arc.
As far as Grey Wind… I haven’t done the analysis but I love the idea of the howling being him. But it could just as easily be Sansa’s inner self, or some echo of Lady. Or Nymeria, Bran, Jon… even Rickon for all we know. As usual we need more info 🙂
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Thanks a lot for this very detailed and clever writing ! I find the Riverlands & Brynden guerilla mayhem fascinating, but sadly the GNC uses it too much to fuel the Jon fanboyism (I do believe Brynden is honest when he says he doesnt trust Jon, he doesnt strike me as a lying type).
Joining the BwB and gathering back the Riverrun garrison thanks to their network to get Edmure & Jeyne back seems to be the likeliest (and badassest) thing to do. Patiently wait for the Twins to collapse from inside (or maybe provoking it with an inside spy) to take both Riverrun & down the Twins would also collide with the “reverse Red Wedding” theory quite nicely !
Thanks for this food for thoughts !
I have a real feel bronze yohn did remember Sansa and never fell for the away end ruse. Miranda befriended her right after this…. 😉
Woo-hoo! I’m on board. This is a great feat of logistical investigation and fine discernment . Thanks for the links too. I’ll check them out. I keep remembering that TWoW was to have been titled A Time for Wolves…
Thanks! Very good point about the name. I’d add that Wolves and Wind are explicitly connected in Ned’s words to Arya in AGoT: “Let me tell you something about wolves, child. When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.” Hoping that’s a good sign for the Starks in TWoW 🙂
I love it. An excellent point and quote. Cheers. We remember. The North and the Riverlands remember.
Hello again, LG. hope I’m not being a pest but I read a couple of little nuggets that I wanted to share with you for your consideration and use.I thought they may support your theory too.
They’re from TWoIaF, the Riverlands section.
The first one is in a sentence that is a paragraph long so I’ll abridge it, lol. On p. 151, “…of the night in the White Wood, where supposedly the children of the forest emerged from beneath a hollow hill to send hundreds of wolves against an Andal camp, tearing hundreds of men apart beneath the light of a crescent moon…”. Hmm, the same location as the Lightning Lord’s lair?
Then, p.152, is speaking of “the great hill called High Heart”. “When the Andal king Erreg the Kinslayer surrounded the hill, the children emerged to defend it, calling down clouds of ravens and armies of wolves…or so the legend tells us.” Hmm…puts me in mind of the cloud of ravens Jaime sees or asks about that alight on the great weirwood at Raven tree Hall when he’s there among many other things.
Any how, some possible foreshadowing from GRRM’s history of Westeros for future events?
Again, thanks, and such excellent theorizing and writing by you.
Thanks Athelas! I’d noticed the hollow hill before (and IMO it’s definitely the same place) but never followed through on the implications of “hundreds of wolves” It seems like that could definitely be a foreshadowing of events in the river lands. Very nice catch! 🙂
Thank you for your kind reply. I am feeling pretty good about your theories and in particular, “wolves”, in the coming books. You are brilliant, my lady. I love the s—storm you allude to as well. Cheers.
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